do. >> okay. cardinal mark roulette is french canadian. he's in roam now on the congregation of bishops. he was 20 years in columbia running seminaries. so i'm not saying he will be elected, but among the many good candidates, he seems to me to have qualities which would make him very -- very attracted to the other cardinals. he's got that breath of language, the culture. he's not european, he's been in south america. but there's a lot of good candidates there. >> geographywise he would be a good choice because it would get him out of europe. >> exactly. >> i'll put my money on him too. >> let's talk about light of the world. >> sure. >> the wonderful book that you have quoted from often. >> this is basically a long interview that he had. he was a fallen away catholic, atheist comanything communist and he wanted to do an interview ratzinger. he spent several days with him. the result of that is this beautiful book called salt of the earth and he came back to the church. and then he did another interview in 2002 called god and the world.